Concerns on John Piper
(comparing John’s teachings to the Bible)

 

So, we start off with the question: is John Piper teaching us to desire God, or desire pleasure we can get from God? Desiring a close fellowship with God is right – but hoping to get more from God is always wrong – and God can see the difference. Can we? Please note, just because Mr. Piper is not holding a title of ‘pastor’ doesn’t mean he isn’t influencing anyone anymore. He is still putting out his doctrine using social media, and he is still promoting the doctrine he taught in his books. So, we need to compare John Piper with the Word of God.

So, to start off this study, let’s look at what Piper has said.

 

Here are some quotes of John Piper that show clear false teaching, from an article titled “Why John Piper should be rejected

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‘‘Missionaries are getting a bit bland. I think I’ll combine a Jewish scholar with a feisty chorus-girl.” http://dsr.gd/1rJvFWe 

 

Never forget the point of the kitchen is the banquet. The aim of hermeneutics: happiness. The goal of exegesis: ecstasy.https://twitter.com/JohnPiper/status/461301644433829889

 

[article author’s reply to Piper] Biblical hermeneutics has zero to do with happiness nor ecstasy. That's about as Self-centered, temporal, and fleshly as one can get. The goal of biblical hermeneutics is understanding biblical truth and thus honoring the Lord Jesus Christ. What is Piper's problem? And why won't he clarify such outrageous statements? He sounds more like Ann Voskamp and her spiritual sex with "god"…

Article link: http://surphside.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-john-piper-should-be-rejected.html

Ř  The author there continues with more helpful material that should alert many to the erroneous teaching of John Piper, and his strong association and approval to well-known false teachers, like Rick Warren. They wrote a good article with lots of links.

 

Quotes from John Piper

 It is better to lose your life than to waste it. ― John Piper

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/25423.John_Piper

Short comments: Denying our self and following Christ is not a ‘better’ option, it is one of the only two options. We only have two options: repent and follow Christ, or stay in our rebellion and be in the Lake of Fire forever. And Jesus said we are either serving one or the other. This is a subtle word-game Piper likes to play with Scripture. God’s Word says “24 No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.” (Matthew 6:24)

22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, ‘Lord, are there few who are saved?’ And He said to them, 24 ‘Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.’” (Luke 13:24)

 

Missions is not the ultimate goal of the church. Worship is. Missions exists because worship doesn't. – John Piper

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/25423.John_Piper

Short comments: The problem with the world is not the lack of missions, but the rampant unchecked rebellion and lawlessness of men and women. Preaching the whole counsel of God’s Word is one of the tools that God uses to turn people from sin. God’s Word says:

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!( 2nd Timothy 3:1-5)

Again: “12 For the Word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are exposed and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.” (Hebrews 4:12-13)

 

All heroes are shadows of Christ ― John Piper, Don't Waste Your Life

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/25423.John_Piper

Short comments: No… Many ‘heroes’ are pagan myths and re-quoted ancient false ‘gods’ and ‘goddesses’. God’s Word says: “2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.” (2nd Timothy 4:2-4)

 

My feelings are not God. God is God. My feelings do not define truth. God’s word defines truth. My feelings are echoes and responses to what my mind perceives. And sometimes - many times - my feelings are out of sync with the truth. When that happens - and it happens every day in some measure - I try not to bend the truth to justify my imperfect feelings, but rather, I plead with God: Purify my perceptions of your truth and transform my feelings so that they are in sync with the truth. ― John PiperFinally Alive: What Happens When We Are Born Again?

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/25423.John_Piper

Short comments: Piper ought to follow his own advice. God’s Word reminds us: “1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1)

13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another… 16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.” (Ephesians 5:13, 16)
13Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy." 17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear…” (1st Peter 1:13-17)

 

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In this next quote, you will see that John Piper rejects God’s literal account of creation, and accepts the lying religion of evolution as a possibility. The question is asked by someone at Desiring God [Piper’s ministry] for an ‘Ask Pastor John’ video session. Here’s the quotes from the YouTube video. You can hear his own words on this YouTube video, titled ‘What should we teach about creation?’ This is a transcript of most of what Piper said on that video.

Reader of the question: John how far should we go in teaching Creationism in the church? How important or unimportant is it?

John Piper: I assume the “ism” on the end of creationism has an agenda – in terms of the age of the earth or the age of man, or whatever. So, let me just say a few general things. We should teach without any qualification that God created the universe and everything in it. And, it wasn’t always here. It didn’t spontaneously emerge from a big bang, alone. However God did it - God did it. That’s clear and everybody who believes the Word should preach that. Secondly, I believe that we should preach that He made it good. There was no sin in it when He first made it. Thirdly, I think we should preach that He created Adam and Eve directly. That He made them from the dust of the ground and then He took out of man, a woman. I don’t think it’s… [didn’t finish that sentence] I think we should teach that. I know other people who don’t, who would say ‘Oh that’s all imagery for evolution’, or whatever. And that man had his beginning not millions of years ago, but in the scope of the Biblical genealogies. Those genealogies are tight at about 6,000 years, and loose at about 10-15,000 [years]. So, I think we should honor those genealogies, and not say that we can play fast and loose with the origin of man. That’s not the age of the earth issue there. That’s just the origin of what is a human being and when did that human being come into existence. I think we should say that he came into existence by God’s direct action, and that wasn’t millions of years ago. That was within the scope of these genealogies.

    Now when it comes to the more controversial issues of how to construe Genesis 1 and 2, about how God did it, and how long it took Him to do it – There I’m totally sympathetic to a pastor who is going to lay his view down, having studied it, and he’s going to say to his people: “here’s my understanding of those chapters. These six days can’t be anything other than 6 literal days, so that’s how God took it, and this is earth is about 10 or 15,000 years old – or this universe.” And, though it looks old, that’s how God made it – old, or something like that.

   Or, he might take another view that these days are ages [millions of years, counted as ‘days’]. Or he might take Sailhammer's view, which is where I feel at home, namely, that what’s going on here is -  all of creation happened to prepare the land for man in verse 1. (In the) beginning, He made the heavens and the earth, that's everything, and then you go day by day and He's preparing the land. He's not bringing new things into existence, He's preparing the land and causing new things to grow, separating out water and earth, and then when it's all set and prepared, He creates and puts man there.  And so that has the advantage of saying that the earth is billions of years old, if it wants to be, and whatever science says it is, it is. But, man is young, and he was good, and he sinned, and he was a real historical person because Romans 5 says so, and so does the rest of the Bible.  And so that's where I am, and I think every pastor should go ahead and say what he believes... [skipping to end of video clip]

     But I could be wrong about that, I'm 63 years old and I've never preached through Genesis yet.  And, I'd like to. We're gonna finish (the Gospel of) John, and maybe the next thing I'll turn to, if the elders let me stay around that long, would be Genesis. I really think it would... [didn’t finish that sentence] we need to give our people help in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4uqstc3_pc

 

Many Bible students note how wrong Mr. Piper is on Creation. He wants to be popular with rich men, so he is one of the leaders who is trying to combine the Bible with the false religion of evolution. Mr. Piper is even rejecting clear Scriptures to do so. Here is how one man started his article, titled: “PIPER & SAILHAMER: THE OFFENSE OF BIBLICAL CREATION & THE FALSE AUTHORITY OF SCIENCE

Biblical truth is always offensive to unregenerate man. The Biblical narrative on creation is certainly no exception. Scripture is quite explicit in how the universe and all that it contains came into being, and since the fall of man it’s description as recorded by God for us has been hated.

    Creation is recorded as a series of totally supernatural, perfectly executed, final acts in 6 literal days. Modern philosophy and all social sciences of men have long attempted to refute the biblical account, and were in fact, created for that very purpose, to deny God’s truth.

In so-called modern times, the biblical teachings of creative, final acts by the God of Scripture have been superseded by scientific ‘processes’ so that the results of creation are placed within and are products of history and time (time itself viewed as a process, not a creature of God). In fact, much of modern historical geology is based on the philosophical assumption that the biblical account of creation ex-nihilo is false.

     By the early nineteenth century the central presupposition of uniformitarianism that “the present is the key to the past” had been popularized by James Hutton and Charles Lyell (who in turn influenced Darwin). (Douglas F. Kelly, Creation & Change, p. 163)…

Article link: http://5ptsalt.com/2010/07/16/piper-sailhamer-the-offense-of-biblical-creation-the-false-authority-of-science/

 

Apprising.org also has a helpful article, titled: “Dr. Piper Ok with Old Earth View

http://apprising.org/2010/07/10/dr-john-piper-ok-with-old-earth-view/

 

That’s what Piper, says, but God’s Word clearly contradicts John Piper.

1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.” (Hebrews 11:1-3)

 

But just to be a little more clear, let’s do a very short Hebrew review. In this case, it's very important. Curious, have you heard of the Hebrew word 'yom'? Some have. Some have not. What is it? It is an important word - it's the prominent Hebrew word for 'day' (one of two that I’m aware of). The word 'yom' only refers to a literal “evening and morning”, 24 hour day.

 

>> Now, that's a start, but, check out this next part:

"God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day." (Genesis 1:5) Notice there are 3 literal Hebrew words there that show that the first day was a literal day - 1)light/darkness, 2)evening/morning - the Hebrew delineation of a day - evening first, then morning, and 3)first day - also literal for one day. ~ that is day one and that's how the Hebrew ends that verse "yom-day one"

 

Now for day 2 - "And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day." (Genesis 1:8) Again, same thing ~ evening/morning, yom/day two

 

Now for day 3 - "So the evening and the morning were the third day." (Genesis 1:13) again, evening and morning yom/day three

 

Now for day 4 - "So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." (Genesis 1:19) Again, same thing - evening morning, yom/day four

 

Now for day 5 - "So the evening and the morning were the fifth day." (Genesis 1:23) Again, evening/morning, yom/day five

 

Now for day 6 - "Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day." (Genesis 1:31) Again, evening/morning, yom/day six

 

Notice also that everything God had created was "good" no death or anything bad at all in that word, the Hebrew word means 'good' in the widest sense of the word. So, everything was perfect, no gap theory fits in this literal text.

 

Now, one more note - if the word 'yom' only means a 24/hour literal day in the rest of the Old Testament, then why not here, in Genesis, as well? One example: "For in six days the LORD made the Heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day." (Exodus 20:11) one of many examples, and yes the plural word for yom is there (yome) - again literal 24/hour day.

 

Conclusion: John Piper rejects the literal Biblical account of Creation, given by God Himself, to please man. So, does he really believe the Bible he reads and teaches?

 

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Another key error of John Piper’s is his continual focus on our pleasure, and pretending that we need to serve Christ because it leads to more pleasure for us. He even goes so far as to redefine earth’s sin-pleasures as though we can enjoy the same lawlessness of the world, only with a ‘Christian’ twist. You see this wrong teaching in the name of some of Piper’s books.

·         Desiring God

·         Don’t Waste Your Life

·         When I Don’t Desire God, How to Fight for Joy

·         Battling Unbelief: Defeating Sin with Superior Pleasure

·         Let the Nations Be Glad

·         Treasures on Earth (a short sermon)

This perspective also shows up in one of his favorite phrases:

God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him.

Link: www.goodreads.com/quotes/13210-god-is-most-glorified-in-us-when-we-are-most

 

Short comments: Denying our self-centered wants on earth, taking up our cross and following Christ is not for pleasure. It comes out of a heart of gratitude for salvation and becomes a growing hatred of sin and love of holiness. Those don’t stop chasing pleasure, eventually fall away, as Jesus taught. Yet, strangely Piper’s message doesn’t match Jesus’ Word. Jesus says:

34 When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, ‘Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 35 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it. 36 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? 37 Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.’” (Mark 8:34-38)

16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the Word, immediately receive it with gladness; 17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the Word's sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the Word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the Word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the Word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” (Mark 4:16-20)

   And the apostle John says: “18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.” (1st John 2:18-19)

 

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Another thing Piper cannot defend Biblically are the many lies of Rick Warren. John Piper explains why he was bringing Rick Warren, very well-known false teacher, to Piper’s ‘Desiring God’ conference in 2010. John Piper defended his choice, by saying this of Rick Warren:

At root I think [Rick Warren] is theological and doctrinal and sound.

 

This article from Apprising.org explains some of them, titled ‘Is this doctrinal and sound Dr. John Piper?

·         http://apprising.org/2010/04/26/is-this-doctrinal-and-sound-dr-john-piper/

·         http://surphside.blogspot.com/2010/04/ingrid-schlueter-on-john-piper-and-rick.html

 

Among them the other reasons John Piper should not be working with Rick Warren?

Ř  ‘Chrislam’

o   http://www.solasisters.com/2012/03/rick-warren-addresses-chrislam.html

o   http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=8961

o   http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366

o   http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=5441

o   http://apprising.org/2011/02/22/the-rise-of-chrislam/

o   http://standingforgod.com/2010/12/01/the-chrislam-movement-in-the-apostate-church/

Ř   The world promotes Piper in every way imaginable (literally)

o   http://surphside.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-rick-warren-is-false-teacher.html

Ř  Rick wants to train all pastors to be ‘change agents’ -- “I also believe that pastors are the most strategic change agents to deal with the problems society faces” (Quote of Rick Warren)

o   Rick’s ‘health plan’ - www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/4-purpose-resisters.htm

o   Another link on this - www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=5709

 

This is another key article on Rick Warren’s evil connections and groups and movements he’s involved in. Titled: Rick Warren’s Strange Bedfellows ~ Here’s one key quote:

Rick Warren claims to be pastor to Rupert Murdoch, who’s News Corporation owns The Sun, a UK based tabloid. ‘Page 3’ of the paper is little more than ‘soft porn’. Additionally Murdoch is building a stable of wholly-owned pornographic channels for his BSkyB subsidiary…

Article link: http://www.inplainsite.org/html/rick_warren_new_age.html

 

Another article that’s helpful concerning Piper and his connections and the growing group of people he’s been giving his stamp of approval on, is this article titled “Has John Piper Lost His Mind?” -- http://apprising.org/2013/01/05/has-john-piper-lost-his-mind/

 

Another article noting Rick Warren’s intentional inclusion of occult ideas in his book and message. The video is titled: ‘Rick Warren, Occult Deception, part 1 of 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOMFHej1KVk&feature=related

 

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John Piper has given broad sweeping support to Mark Driscoll, saying: “I love Mark Driscoll’s theology.” Yes, you read that right. You can hear Piper’s own words here, compared to some blasphemous things that Mark has said in someone’s YouTube video titled “Piper Loves Driscoll’s Theology.mov” - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYVCVx5QyFQ

 

But Mark Driscoll has other key supporters too, including DA Carson, Tim Keller, Rick Warren and the team with the Gospel Coalition, as Cathy Mickels explains in two articles, titled simply – Driscoll’s Supporters, and Driscoll and Warren.

·        Driscoll’s Supporters - http://www.driscollcontroversy.com/?page_id=654

·        Driscoll and Warren - http://www.driscollcontroversy.com/?page_id=792

 

Mrs. Mickels explains more of her serious concerns about Mr. Driscoll’s doctrine, in her article titled: ‘Mark Driscoll: Is he qualified to lead?’

… If this is the case, which I agree it is, I reiterate my question: Why is Mark Driscoll a keynote speaker this coming April 21-23 [2009] at The Gospel Coalition’s National Conference in Chicago? (http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/about)

 

With all due respect to the men who are leading this organization, it is a mockery of the Christian faith to have Mark Driscoll speak on the topic of ‘Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth’….

 

It is the opinion of this writer that there needs to be a close examination of this ministry. Mark Driscoll is undermining biblical and historical Christianity, and lacks the wisdom, discernment and maturity to lead. If the church cannot see it, we are further down the downgrade than we think.

 

‘Likewise urge the young men to be sensible; in all things show yourself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine, dignified, sound in speech which is beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be put to shame, having nothing bad to say about us’ (Titus 2:6).

http://www.driscollcontroversy.com/?page_id=12

 

Driscoll7Mrs. Mickels’ page has many note-worthy quotes of false teaching from Mark Driscoll, and explanations that show that Mark Driscoll is not fit, according to the Bible, for leading in any leadership position. “The Mark Driscoll Controversy

Mark Driscoll has a firm supporter in Pastor John Piper. In an interview on 13 November 2014, Piper says he has no regret for befriending Mark Driscoll, despite Driscoll’s many flaws.

 

Mark Driscoll resigned as leader pastor of Mars Hill Church, Seattle, on 14 October 2014, despite the fact that the elders investigating his conduct do not believe him to be disqualified from pastoral ministry.

 

While Mark Driscoll has rightfully been accused of shameful behaviour, the corrupt fruit of his ministry identifies him as a false teacher. ‘Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them’ (Matthew 7.20)… ” -- http://www.driscollcontroversy.com 

 

Martha West posts a helpful blog titled: ‘Profane preachers contribute to killing the conscience’. She notes his cussing (even in the pulpit) and excusing of it.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mwest/120927

 

Another helpful article from the late Ken Silva of Apprising.org talks about why it was due time for Mr. Driscoll to resign. One key article is titled ‘Mark Driscoll Resigns from the Gospel Coalition’.

http://apprising.org/2012/03/28/mark-driscoll-resigns-from-the-gospel-coalition/

 

Christian Post has a helpful article where Mr. Driscoll explains why he chose Rick and the other speakers for the conference he hosted, called ‘Resurgence’. The article is titled: R12 Conference: Mark Driscoll on Why He Chose Rick Warren, Other Speakers

http://www.christianpost.com/news/r12-conference-mark-driscoll-on-why-he-chose-rick-warren-other-speakers-82914/

 

Another article titled ‘Mark Driscoll Controversy Cover-up

http://apprising.org/2014/04/05/mark-driscoll-controversy-coverup/

 

Another article, this one from Christianity Today, titled ‘Driscoll Drops Acts 29 & Gospel Coalition

www.christianitytoday.com/parse/2012/march/driscoll-drops-acts-29-gospel-coalition.html

 

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Yet despite all of that information (and much more) exposing the evil ways and teachings of Mark Driscoll, does Piper regret supporting Mark? You won’t like his answer… The Question is asked by someone at Desiring God [Piper’s ministry] for an ‘Ask Pastor John’ video session. Here’s the quotes from the YouTube video. The video title is ‘Piper has No Regret

Reader of the question: About 100 emails have come in regarding Mark Driscoll and your relationship with him. Most of the questions are centered on whether you now regret partnering with Mark Driscoll in the past.

John Piper: First. No regret. John Piper has no regret for befriending Mark Driscoll, going to Mark Driscoll’s church and speaking at his events or having him come to the Desiring God conference. I do not regret that. My regret is that I was not a more effective friend. Mark knew he had flaws. He knows he had flaws. And I knew he had flaws. He knew that I knew that he had flaws. There were flaws in leadership attitude. Flaws of unsavory language that I think is just wrong for Christians to use. Flaws of exegetical errors – say in the Song of Solomon. I wrote him a long critique of his use of the Song of Solomon. I wrote him personally about these. So there was a mutuality about this, and I felt loved by Mark and I wanted to love him in return. I still do hope for the best in Mark’s life and ministry. So no I don’t regret it cause the things he said when he spoke were true and helpful and I tried to do the same at his church. [end of clip]

 

[ed note: next in this YouTube video, they show a clip of Piper and Driscoll (on stage) talking at a Resurgence conference, in front of a live audience]

Piper (to Driscoll): When I was here, we went to some saloon or something. Where’d we go…? (voice trails off as audience laughs)

Driscoll: A saloon? We rode there on a horse. (audience still is laughing)

Piper: It was a brewery.

[Mark laughs]

Piper: It was a brewery. And the guy who owns it runs a church, or something like that.

Driscoll: Runs a church? That’s Jesus – you know that. [end of clip]

 

[ed note: beginning of next video clip of Piper and Driscoll on stage talking in front of the audience.]

Driscoll: I got a freebie [for Piper]. I brought you one from Mars Hill. [Driscoll pulls out a jacket as a gift for Piper]

Piper: Oh cool! Desiring God?!?

Driscoll: Here it is – it’s tweed. I knew you’d like that.

[audience applauds at the gift-giving]

Driscoll: We got it at a skateboarding shop. It’s very cool. There we go [as he helps Piper get it on]. And we put the Desiring God log on it. [audience applauds more]

Driscoll: You got to show them the logo – the logo looks the best. That’s good. [audience is still applauding] [end of clip]

 

[ed note: next clip in this YouTube video is Piper talking about Driscoll’s books]

Piper: With regard to his books whether they should sit on shelves in bookstores or churches or homes – that’s a tough call. By bookstores or churches where they chose to pull back so as not to give any kind of public affirmation of mistakes that Mark may have made. But then maybe in years to come, the books re-emerge as helpful since I think most of what he has written has been true and helpful. Since I think most of what he has written is true and helpful. Mark Driscoll has done much good in speaking and writing much truth. [end of clip]

 

[ed note: next clip is of Driscoll on stage, yelling, at a conference – apparently a ‘sermon’]

Driscoll: How dare you!!! Who in the Hell do you think you are?! [end of clip]

 

[ed note: next clip is of Driscoll describing the blasphemous t-shirt he’s wearing]

Driscoll: And it also says ‘Jesus watches you download porn which is theologically correct and actually true’. [end of clip]

 

[ed notes: next quote of Driscoll]

Driscoll: There is a pile of dead bodies behind the Mars Hill bus. And by God’s grace, it’ll be a mountain by the time we’re done. You either get on the bus or you get run over by the bus, those are your options. [end of clip]

 

[ed notes: next quote of Driscoll]

Driscoll: Some people actually see things, this may be gift of discernment. On occasions I see things. I see things. [end of clip]

 

[ed notes: next quote of Driscoll]

Driscoll: Jesus was fun. This is why Jesus keeps getting invited to parties. [end of clip]

 

[ed notes: next quote of Driscoll]

Driscoll: And I think Jesus t-shirts are funny, and this one is from Urban Outfitters. It’s DJ Jassy Jesus. [end of clip]

 

[ed notes: next, Piper still talking about Driscoll]

Piper: I think it would be sinful and unBiblical for any of Mark’s detractors to simply feel ‘good riddance’. That is a sin to feel that. No, we pray for truth to hold sway and for grace to transform and renew and restore all of us, including Mark. [end of clip]

 

[ed notes: next, a quote of Pastor Kim Riddlebarger, Christ Reformed Church]

Riddlebarger: All we need to do is look at the recent news. And we see yet another evangelical mega-star, Mark Driscoll, and the total collapse of his church-brand, Mars Hill. Just another in the long sad case where the name of Christ is besmirched by Christians claiming to love Jesus, all along, building a church structure that centers around a charismatic leader, and that exists primarily to promote the leader’s personal vision to those who share it with him. And this with little, if any, consideration of what the New Testament actually teaches about how a church is to organize itself and conduct it’s ministry. And of course, it doesn’t take long for people reading their Bibles to figure out how the church and vision – why it’s celebrity leader differs from the nature of the church in the New Testament. Which doesn’t allow for celebrity leaders to promote their own personal interests and gain fame and fortune for themselves. Now, as many of you know, Mars Hill and Mark Driscoll were very frequently identified with the movement called the ‘The Young, the Restless, and the Reformed’. Those millennials who had recently discovered the glories of reformed theology. And yet in Driscoll’s case, Mars Hill managed to ignore the fact that any movement that is reformed will also strive for a church governed by elders. Not a church that is ruled by a celebrity tyrant, who fires anybody who dares to stand up to him, or dares to disagree with his personal agenda. [end of clip]

 

[ed notes: last quote from Piper, repeating in short the previous quotes]

Piper: No regret. John Piper has no regret for befriending Mark Driscoll… Mark Driscoll has done much good in speaking, and writing much truth… [end of clip]

 

[The YouTube video then has this quote on the screen: ‘Spiritual discernment is the ability to tell the difference between truth and error, right from wrong.’]

 

[Next shown is a picture of Rick Warren and John Piper in the same photo, posing stately for a photo-op. The text on the screen then says: ‘John Piper, it appears, lacks spiritual discernment. “A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.” (James 1:8)’]

You can see and hear that video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o7atIN5sOk

 

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In 2013, John Piper decided to expand his connections base. This article, titled ‘Jesus Culture and Judah Smith to Join Piper, Moore, Chan and Others at Giglio's Passion 2013’ explains more.

http://www.donotbesurprised.com/2013/01/jesus-culture-and-judah-smith-to-join.html

 

And one more article on Piper, titled ‘Sacred Cows and Stars of the Cult of Evangelical Leadership

http://apprising.org/2012/10/04/sacred-cows-and-stars-the-cult-of-evangelical-leadership/

 

Mark Driscoll and Mars Hill deleted the ‘Jesus made mistakes’ comment of Mark’s in his ‘sermon’ on May 4, 2014. They deleted those few quotes from the audio before they released it online. This is explained in an article titled: “Mark Driscoll and the Mistakes of Jesus

http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/peter_lumpkins/2014/06/mark-driscoll-and-the-mistakes-of-jesus.html

 

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John Piper, though he still maintains influence with many in the Christian community, he stepped down from the senior pastor position Bethlehem Baptist Church. His last sermon was on March 31, 2013.

·        http://www.christianpost.com/news/john-piper-to-leave-bethlehem-church-for-a-year-in-may-92325/

·        http://thewartburgwatch.com/2013/01/03/john-piper-delivers-final-message-as-pastor-for-preaching-and-vision-at-bethlehem-baptist-church/

 

Some noted something unique, maybe odd, in his notes about stepping down. Here is one article that quotes Mr. Piper’s personal explanation of why he was taking some time off. This article is by the Christian Post, titled “John Piper to Take Leave to Reexamine Soul

Well-known evangelical preacher John Piper announced Sunday that he will be taking his first-ever break from ministry to reexamine his soul.

   The long-time preacher apologized to his congregation for not a specific deed but for the "sins of my own soul," "ongoing character flaws" and stresses that they have caused to others.

   "I see several species of pride," Piper told Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis. "They may not rise to the level of disqualifying me for ministry. Nevertheless, while I don't think they do, I grieve over them."

   Piper, who is considered one of the most influential preachers among Protestant pastors, made the announcement after preaching about Jesus Christ and the cross he beared. It was the first of four final sermons before his eight-month leave from the church and ministry.

   In the 30 years he has been preaching, Piper said he has never let go of his passion for public productivity – ever. That is, until now.

   "In this moment (the leave of absence), I'm letting go of all of it," he said.

   That means no preaching, no book writing, no blogging, no tweeting, no articles, no papers and no speaking engagements – with a few exceptions that his wife, Noel, agreed to.

   "One of the goals of fasting," he noted, "is to determine levels of addiction or, as Paul Tripp or Tim Keller would say, levels of idolatry."

   "The reality check is what will happen to John Piper's soul ... and to my marriage ... and to my future ... when there will be no prideful sipping from the poisonous cup of international fame and notoriety," the 64-year-old preacher said. "I need to find that out and I don't know any other way to do it.’

Article link: www.christianpost.com/news/john-piper-to-take-leave-to-reexamine-soul-44512/

 

Conclusion on John Piper:

Every teacher has their correct teachings, and every teacher has their wrong teachings. Even if a teacher started out well, if/when they get to a point where the lies are too great, and the message is too twisted away from Christ and the Word – especially then, we need to step back and compare everything they are saying to God’s Word. Especially if they are pushing ‘pleasure’ with a twist to make it sound holy. We all need to be very slow to give our strong approval to men, especially those whom the world and big corrupt voices praise.

26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets. (Luke 6:26)

15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.” (Luke 16:15)

 

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This is a research report concerning the false teaching and ecumenical associations of John Piper, and was put together by the team at FEDBP (Foundations of Evangelism, Discipleship, and Biblical Preaching)

 

www.incpu.org

 

 

There is a network of religious leaders and the big money people who fund and direct them. We need to, as a body of Christ, watch this network more closely to hopefully catch their lies and demonic winds of doctrine sooner, for ourselves and for others.

Ř  Visual of the interconnected web of people who run the ‘Christian industries’  http://www.incpu.org/connective-religious-leaders-web.pdf
http://www.incpu.org/connective-religious-leaders-web1.jpg

http://www.incpu.org/connective-religious-leaders-web2.jpg
Explanation of the network and info-graph

http://www.incpu.org/list-of-connectivity-leaders.pdf
http://www.incpu.org/list-of-connectivity-leaders.htm